Anybody have access to Glass's?

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Hi Guys,

Does anybody here have access to Glass's valuation guides? Currently having an argument with my insurers who are hideously undervaluing my written off Z4 35iS.

Will gladly send some money your way for beer if anybody can help!
 
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Glasses guide is a motor industry con

Glasses purports to report the prices that used cars sell for, yet dealers/insurers/whatever use Glasses guide to decide what used cars are actually worth.

IE Glasses guide defines the supposed values of used cars.

Glasses guide is used to define and control the product life cycle of motor vehicles.

the values stated do not really represent any vehicles true objective value in any meaningful sense.
 
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the values stated do not really represent any vehicles true objective value in any meaningful sense.

How would one aquire an objective value if that were the case, as surely the highest value a person is willing to pay for a car is it's objective and subjective value?
 
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I have found that the only way to find the real current value is to look at the sales from past 30 days. Take 10, and average them.

You end up with a pretty decent idea.
 
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How would one aquire an objective value if that were the case, as surely the highest value a person is willing to pay for a car is it's objective and subjective value?

But my point is that what people are prepared to pay is heavily influenced by what the buyers guides tell them they should be paying

As is the "Sticker price" that used car dealers put on the windscreens.

I have found that the only way to find the real current value is to look at the sales from past 30 days. Take 10, and average them.

You end up with a pretty decent idea.

See above. The whole thing is circular logic, with the main driver being what is printed in glasses gude.

Consider this.

What is the difference between a Vehicle and a Building?

They both cost a lot to buy, typically both will require some sort of loan. Few people are able to buy outright.

They both cost a lot to maintain,

They both deteriorate over time as components wear out, which then costs more money to repair and replace.

Commercial "Deprecation rates" (Write-down allowances etc) for buildings are actually not that far off what people accept as a matter of routine for vehicles.

And yet buildings tend to go up in value over time, Vehicles values go down, sharply!

We have a culture that accepts rapid loss of value in vehicles, especially over the first two to three years of ownership from new, and a steady increace in value for buildings. but it is just cultural. In Adam Smiths day, a second hand, run in, machine was actually considererd to be rather more valuable than a new one.
 
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Pretty easy, Ebay does count.

No it doesn't, cars typically sell for less on Ebay than they'd be worth sold conventionally through retail channels or private sale adverts. Classified adverts are better but of course you don't see the final sale value with those.

Putting the car up for sale at auction is not how you sell a pristine example...
 
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Thanks for the replies guys. Sorry my reply is late, been a busy day.

I understand the whole car "value" Vs what a car sells for argument. But the insurers are saying the market value of my car is £19k, but the cheapest comparable one actually for sale is £22k... So the payout won't allow me to get a replacement. And if the value they've determined can't actually buy me a replacement in the used car market what market is it they're referring to?!

I shouldn't have bothered crashing really.

Not sure if any help but they used to have an iOS app that let you access valuations, maybe look and see if it's still available?

Edit: Seems so
Glass Guide Mobile by Autovista International AG
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/glass-guide-mobile/id865244403?mt=8

Although the app is free to download, the store page tells me I need an active subscription to get values. I'll still download it anyway when I'm back with my iPad, but it doesn't look good.

I have access to CAP if you let me have the details of the car?

What do you need? Car's registration plate is (was?) YB13 BMW. 2013 Z4 35is. 32,000 miles, FBMWSH. Car had just had front and rear bumpers replaced due to damage. Nav, professional loudspeaker, heated seats, adaptive headlights, high beam assist.
 
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Didn't you use to be able to send them Autotrader adverts of similar cars close to you and they would use that?

Find 3 similar cars within 50 miles of you and send them the links.
 
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The whole purpose of insurance is to restore you to the position you were in before the crash.

If you genuinely cannot find a comparable spec / mileage for the amount they're offering then decline the offer, make a written complaint and tell them that you'll be referring to the ombudsman if you don't receive a satisfactory response. Downside of this is that its likely to hold things up further, and you really shouldn't have to jump through this many hoops, but unfortunately sometimes insurance companies can be ****.
 
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Thanks for the replies guys. Sorry my reply is late, been a busy day.

I understand the whole car "value" Vs what a car sells for argument. But the insurers are saying the market value of my car is £19k, but the cheapest comparable one actually for sale is £22k... S

What do you need? Car's registration plate is (was?) YB13 BMW. 2013 Z4 35is. 32,000 miles, FBMWSH. Car had just had front and rear bumpers replaced due to damage. Nav, professional loudspeaker, heated seats, adaptive headlights, high beam assist.

A 13 plate BMW Z4 35i sDrive with 32k miles retails (according to CAP) for just under £17k (£18k if its a DCT).
 
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Thanks for the replies guys. Sorry my reply is late, been a busy day.

I understand the whole car "value" Vs what a car sells for argument. But the insurers are saying the market value of my car is £19k, but the cheapest comparable one actually for sale is £22k... So the payout won't allow me to get a replacement. And if the value they've determined can't actually buy me a replacement in the used car market what market is it they're referring to?!

I shouldn't have bothered crashing really.



Although the app is free to download, the store page tells me I need an active subscription to get values. I'll still download it anyway when I'm back with my iPad, but it doesn't look good.



What do you need? Car's registration plate is (was?) YB13 BMW. 2013 Z4 35is. 32,000 miles, FBMWSH. Car had just had front and rear bumpers replaced due to damage. Nav, professional loudspeaker, heated seats, adaptive headlights, high beam assist.

This is a good example of why some insurers ask for optional extras to be declared. The value of base spec Z4 35i vs one with Pro Nav, trick lights etc. are probably markedly different. If they're not aware yours has a load of kit on it, then their view of like for like isn't going to match yours.
 
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No it doesn't
Actually, it does.... or it can, at least.
When I was arguing the undervaluing of my bike by my insurer, on the basis that the same bike, year, model, sub-sub-variant etc would cost at least double their valuation, I was required to provide examples as proof - Ebay (and many other official sales sites) was considered perfectly acceptable, so long as it showed completed sales with an outright purchase (ie Buy It Now or similar) price, and NOT what some rich idiot may have bid it up to.

So basically anything with an asking price that was paid in full.
Must be an impartial sales site though, so owners' forums don't count. However, a dealer specialising in your particular vehicle does... even if you do buy them some beers!
 
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